The Sandy and Dave Show: Coaching Conversations for Coaches

By: Sandy Swanson and David Shen
  • Summary

  • If you are a new coach or thinking about becoming a coach, this podcast will provide you with tips and strategies to help you become more confident with your coaching conversations, your coaching business, and yourself. We’re Sandy Swanson and David Shen, and we are ICF, NBHWC, and ADAPT certified coaches. We’ll be talking about coaching competencies and session structure and will also dive into other aspects of psychology and other non-traditional modalities that have taken us past the usual “surface-level” or “transactional” type of coaching. Visit us at: https://thesandyanddaveshow.com/
    Copyright 2023 The Sandy and Dave Show All Rights Reserved. All audio and related podcast content is property of The Sandy and Dave Show and shall not be copied, redistributed, or repurposed without written consent of owners.
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Episodes
  • Trust and Safety in Coaching Sessions
    Oct 26 2024

    The concept of trust and safety seems soooo simple, and yet... there is a lot to it regarding coaching conversations and how we show up for our clients! In this episode you'll hear areas of growth to consider when cultivating trust and safety, Dave's joy when it comes to word definitions, and some of Sandy's pet peeves about coaching over video. Enjoy!

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    • the definitions of trust and safety

    • rapport - is this the same as trust or safety?

    • the ICF competency on trust and safety

    • the National Board guidelines - do they even mention trust??

    • Sandy’s breakdown of 3 areas to cultivate trust with clients

    • Dave’s thoughts on what he does to create trust in and out of sessions

    • 5 things Sandy hears in student recordings relating to trust and safety

    • Sandy’s pet peeve about video environments and how this can affect a feeling of trust or safety in clients

    The ICF PCC (Professional Certified Coach) Markers can be found here:
    November 2020 ICF PCC Markers

    The NBHWC Practical Skills Guidelines (Competencies and “Observables”) can be found here:
    September 2022 NBWC Practical Skills Guidelines

    Find Dave at coachdshen.com

    Find Sandy at swansoncoaching.com

    Visit The Sandy and Dave Show website

    Intro and outro music by JuliusH. Thanks Julius!

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    36 mins
  • Leading without Leading
    Jun 29 2024

    Wait, leading? Isn't that BAD in coaching sessions? Yes, and no. Leading *without leading* is pretty much in our job descriptions as coaches. We'll discuss this, why it can be good OR bad, and offer our two-point failsafe method to "lead without leading" that we use in our sessions.

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    What do we mean by "leading"?

    What do we mean by "leading without leading?"

    What Dave prefers to call this

    Discussion of why this is good - and bad - and how to do it using Dave's patented "lead without leading" method

    Sandy shares what ICF PCC markers speak to this topic

    The three things Sandy hears in session reviews from new coaches

    How to practice this skill

    The ICF PCC (Professional Certified Coach) Markers can be found here:
    November 2020 ICF PCC Markers

    Find Dave at coachdshen.com

    Find Sandy at swansoncoaching.com

    Visit The Sandy and Dave Show website

    Intro and outro music by JuliusH. Thanks Julius!

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    35 mins
  • Chemistry Sessions for Coaches
    Apr 13 2024

    Chemistry sessions. What are they? What should they include? What SHOULDN'T they include? And why does Sandy dislike that term, ""chemistry"" (major air quotes there)? These answers and more are discussed in this episode! Be sure to scroll down if you'd like a copy of Sandy's First Session Road Map if you need some structure to your initial sessions with potential clients.

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    The purpose of chemistry sessions

    Length of these sessions

    Do we charge for these initial sessions?

    Structure of chemistry sessions

    Thoughts on coaching during this first session

    Thoughts on "selling" to potential clients

    Have we ever said "no" to a potential client?

    Chemistry sessions when working for a coaching company (BetterUp, Modern Health, Spring Health, AbleTo, etc) - do they even exist in this realm? If so, how are they different?

    People.... people who need.... people... listen to this volume UP to hear the way this song should be sung. By Jule Styne and Bob Merrill featuring the original Funny Girl herself.

    ICF Guidelines on referring a client to therapy

    NBHWC (National Board for Health and Wellness Coaches) does not have any resources regarding therapy referrals that we could find.

    CLICK HERE for Sandy's First Session Road Map

    Find Dave at coachdshen.com

    Find Sandy at swansoncoaching.com

    Visit The Sandy and Dave Show website

    Intro and outro music by JuliusH. Thanks Julius!

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    49 mins

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