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The Sheldrake Vernon Dialogues

The Sheldrake Vernon Dialogues

By: Rupert Sheldrake and Mark Vernon
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Dr Rupert Sheldrake is a biologist and author best known for his hypothesis of morphic resonance. Mark Vernon is a psychotherapist and author. Together they discuss: consciousness, prayer, angels, science and spiritual practices, magic, dreams, hell, the unconscious, rituals, enlightenment, atheism, materialism, and more.

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  • Does nature obey laws?
    Jun 16 2025

    The conviction that the natural world is obedient, adhering to laws, is a widespread assumption of modern science. But where did this idea originate and what beliefs does it imply? In this episode of the Sheldrake-Vernon Dialogues, Rupert Sheldrake and Mark Vernon discuss the impact on science of the Elizabethan lawyer, Francis Bacon. His New Instrument of Thought, or Novum Organum, put laws at the centre of science and was intended as an upgrade on assumptions developed by Aristotle. But does the existence of mind-like laws of nature, somehow acting on otherwise mindless matter, even make sense? What difference is made by insights subsequent to Baconian philosophy, such as the discovery of evolution or the sense that the natural world is not machine-like but behaves like an organism? Could the laws of nature be more like habits? And what about the existence of miracles, the purposes of organisms, and the extraordinary fecundity of creativity?

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    42 mins
  • Living in an Age of Spiritual Crisis
    Mar 5 2025

    Much of the modern world has become uncoupled from the transcendent in a cultural experiment Nietzsche called the death of God. But might this spiritual crisis prove to be a time of rebirth? In this episode of the Sheldrake-Vernon Dialogues, recorded live at an event organised by the Temenos Academy, Rupert Sheldrake and Mark Vernon discuss the evolution of wisdom traditions from west and east alongside the great modern enterprise called science and its continuing development. As the materialist, progressive ideology that has dominated the sciences for two centuries wanes, and as scientific studies show that religious and spiritual practices have major benefits for physical and mental health, what insights might we cultivate, as we live in and through these times?

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    53 mins
  • Evolution: From Natural Selection to Omega Point
    Jan 29 2025

    Watch: https://youtu.be/_ywyQIFMtQE
    Darwinian evolution shapes modern biology, but the notion of evolution has a wider history, too. In this episode of the Sheldrake-Vernon dialogues, Rupert Sheldrake and Mark Vernon explore linear and cyclical conceptions of human and cosmic evolution and ask what they can mean in the modern world, where innovation and evolution appear to be escalating. They consider the significance of two main principles within evolution, that of diversity and creativity, and how these elements can be embraced. They also ask about the difficulty of talking about evolution today, given the presence of intelligent design and creationism. An inability to discuss evolution in a wider context is a loss because evolutionary theory itself is sophisticated and interestingly contested, both in the realm of biology but spirituality: the so-called evolution of consciousness. The discussion includes the ideas of Pierre Tielhard de Chardin and Owen Barfield, Karl Popper and Henri Bergson.

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    35 mins
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I hope these guys keep making new episodes. Have you covered the Infinite yet? My go-to listen, early mornings and evenings. Absolutely wonderful.

Listen to two people weave magic in conversation.

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Atheists please give these a listen.
Flailing Christians, even more so.
For many years I was an atheist and gradually had to accept that I had to ignore more and more experience and evidence and become very defensive in my arguments. When I finally caved in and accepted that the weird shit did actually happen to me, and then eventually that maybe God exists, I was desperate for this kind of learned and sane and educated discussion. Not evangelical nutters with childish and simplistic arguments and dogmas.
This is a breath of fresh air and fabulously valuable.
Thank you RS and MV

Superbly illuminating

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