Episodes

  • The Inquiry: Trial Update

    The Inquiry: Trial Update
    Nov 13 2024
    In the first episode of The Trial Update Caroline and Liz have a snapshot of the evidence of Dr Ravi Jayaram as he appeared before the Thirlwall inquiry. He said sorry, and said he wishes now he'd been stronger and braver and spoken up sooner about Lucy Letby. He also said senior managers would not take the consultants' concerns seriously and he now reflected it had been like being in an abusive relationship. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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    8 mins
  • The Inquiry: Dr. Jayaram

    The Inquiry: Dr. Jayaram
    Nov 15 2024
    In this episode Caroline and Liz have the evidence from Dr Ravi Jayaram. He accepted that he should have done more sooner to stop Lucy Letby from harming babies. He said he should have been braver and more courageous in speaking up, but he said his concerns initially seemed "outlandish". He also told the Thirlwall Inquiry that after Lucy Letby was eventually moved off the ward she told him she'd be back "whether he liked it or not." And he said the recommendations from the inquiry into Beverley Allitt's crimes should be embedded in all medical safeguarding training. Presenters: Caroline Cheetham and Liz Hull Editor: Chelsey Moore Creative Director: Caroline Cheetham Production Manager: Vittoria Cecchini A Daily Mail production. Seriously Popular. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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    36 mins
  • The Inquiry: How to Get Away with Murder

    The Inquiry: How to Get Away with Murder
    Nov 8 2024
    In this episode Caroline and Liz discuss the evidence of the union rep who became close friends with Lucy Letby. Hayley Griffiths exchanged jokey and inappropriate texts with her about ‘tips’ on how to get away with murder and told her they would be ‘friends forever.’ They also hear evidence about Lucy Letby’s employment grievance and how rumours were flying around the hospital that a consultant made a pass at her and that she was the victim of a witch hunt. And they bring you a statement from her parents who said they were left shocked and heartbroken by the sickening allegations made against their daughter. Presenters: Caroline Cheetham and Liz Hull Editor: Chelsey Moore Creative Director: Caroline Cheetham A Daily Mail production. Seriously Popular. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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    39 mins
  • The Inquiry: Will It Make a Difference?

    The Inquiry: Will It Make a Difference?
    Nov 1 2024
    The Thirlwall Inquiry is having a week off so it's a good time for Caroline and Liz to chat to lawyer and expert Elkan Ambrahamson about what difference, if any, public inquires really make in changing things for the future. They also have more details about Lucy Letby's latest appeal which was thrown out last week by three judges - signalling the end of the road for her, unless her lawyer can find new evidence to put before the Criminal Cases Review Commission. Welcome to Episode 11: Will it make a Difference? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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    37 mins
  • The Inquiry: Drawer of Doom

    The Inquiry: Drawer of Doom
    Oct 25 2024
    In this episode we hear from the nursing manager who got ‘too close’ to Lucy Letby, sending her chummy messages telling her to ‘hang on in there, girl,’ after police were called in. Karen Rees said she felt ‘bullied’ by a consultant when he called her at home to demand Lucy Letby was removed from the ward, after she murdered two triplet brothers in quick succession. He claimed to have a ‘drawer of doom’ about Lucy Letby but senior nurses believed she was being made a scapegoat for poor medical care. Mrs Rees also revealed she later begged hospital bosses to call in the police so they could get some answers. We also hear from the lead risk midwife, Annemarie Lawrence, who said relationships between the doctors and the nurses on the neo-natal unit had broken down by the time she started work at the hospital. She also said Lucy Letby’s redeployment into the Risk and Patient Safety Department was inappropriate because it meant she could look at patient’s notes and critical reports which linked her to the babies’ deaths. Welcome to Episode 10: Drawer of Doom Presenters: Caroline Cheetham and Liz Hull Editor: Chelsey Moore Creative Director: Caroline Cheetham Executive Producer: Lucy Vallance A Daily Mail production. Seriously Popular. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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    41 mins
  • The Inquiry: The ‘Favourite’

    The Inquiry: The ‘Favourite’
    Oct 18 2024
    Caroline and Liz are back with the latest from The Thirlwall Inquiry which is continuing to investigate how Lucy Letby was able to commit murder at the Countess of Chester Hospital. In this episode we learn more about Letby’s character and behaviour from her fellow nurses working closely with her on the neonatal unit. We are told she initially failed her final year placement as her mentor felt she lacked the requisite professionalism and empathy for a children’s nursing role. We then hear from the manager of the neonatal unit for the first time. Eirian Powell supported Lucy Letby, even when she had been moved off frontline nursing because of the doctors’ concerns. She said she couldn’t believe she had done anything wrong. We are also given examples of some of the serious mistakes Letby made that were flagged by her colleagues and how eventually enough evidence amassed that she was involved in the collapse of multiple babies that her position on the unit became ‘untenable’. Welcome to Episode 9: The Favourite Follow us on instagram @thetrialpod Email us thetrial@mailmetromedia.co.uk Whatsapp us +447796657512 (start your message with ‘Trial’) Presenters: Caroline Cheetham and Liz Hull Voice Actors: Jenna Wrigley and Lucy Ryan Editor: Buddy Peace Creative Director: Caroline Cheetham Executive Producer: Lucy Vallance A Daily Mail production. Seriously Popular. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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    34 mins
  • The Inquiry: Doctor U

    The Inquiry: Doctor U
    Oct 14 2024
    Caroline and Liz are back with the latest from The Thirlwall Inquiry which is continuing to investigate how Lucy Letby was able to commit murder at the Countess of Chester Hospital. In this episode we hear from Doctor U, the married doctor who prosecutors at Lucy Letby's trial described as her boyfriend and who she denied having an affair with. He tells the inquiry he didn’t suspect her of causing harm and actively encouraged her to gain more work and valuable experiences at another hospital - even after suspicions were raised and she was suspended from working with patients at the Countess of Chester. He now says he feels manipulated. We also hear Lucy Letby’s own thoughts via an email and letter she sent to her fellow nurses and the consultants who blamed her for the babies deaths. She claims she is totally innocent and requests her colleagues be ‘sensitive’ and supportive’ of her when she returns to the neo-natal unit. Follow us on instagram @thetrialpod Email us thetrial@mailmetromedia.co.uk Whatsapp us +447796657512 (start your message with ‘Trial’) Presenters: Caroline Cheetham and Liz Hull Editor: Buddy Peace Production Manager: Vittoria Cecchini Creative Director: Caroline Cheetham Executive Producer: Lucy Vallance A Daily Mail production. Seriously Popular. To get an exclusive NordVPN deal, head to https://nordvpn.com/thetrial to get an extra 4 months on the 2-year plan. There’s no risk with Nord’s 30-day money-back guarantee. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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    41 mins
  • The Inquiry: Doctors vs Nurses

    The Inquiry: Doctors vs Nurses
    Oct 4 2024
    In this episode Caroline and Liz have the evidence from some of the doctors who worked on the ward with Lucy Letby. They all told the inquiry the numbers of babies collapsing and dying caused staff to think the unthinkable - that a member of staff was harming babies. Once they did raise concerns with managers they were wrongly told a review had cleared Lucy Letby and they were ordered to write her a letter of apology. We also heard this week that that senior nurses told the consultants they were incorrect about their suspicions, and, months after she was removed from the ward, they invited Lucy Letby to the staff Christmas party. Follow us on instagram @thetrialpod Email us thetrial@mailmetromedia.co.uk Whatsapp us +447796657512 (start your message with ‘Trial’) Presenters: Caroline Cheetham and Liz Hull Voice Actors: Lucy Ryan, Emma Beggan, Evie Killip, Aiden James, Grace Clark, Michelle Lehane, Natalie Durkin, Sebastian Birtles Editor: Chelsey Moore Creative Director: Caroline Cheetham Executive Producer: Lucy Vallance A Daily Mail production. Seriously Popular. To get an exclusive NordVPN deal, head to https://nordvpn.com/thetrial to get an extra 4 months on the 2-year plan. There’s no risk with Nord’s 30-day money-back guarantee. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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    36 mins