In this episode of Up Next, Tommy Lee sits down with Jon Hirst, Co-Founder of Generous Mind, to explore how nonprofits can pursue innovation with clarity and courage, even in seasons of uncertainty.

Jon draws from his experience as a longtime Chief Innovation Officer to unpack the tension nonprofits face between preserving what works and taking bold steps into the unknown. He and Tommy discuss the difference between invention and innovation, how AI is reshaping donor engagement, and why defining ROI as “return on learning” can build deeper trust with stakeholders.

Whether you lead a ministry, manage strategy, or are dreaming up the next big idea, this episode will help you think more intentionally about risk, experimentation, and the future of gospel-centered work.

Links & Resources:

www.generousmind.com
www.innovationinmission.com
generousmind.blogspot.com

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In this episode of UpNext, host Tommy Lee sits down with Pastor Naeem Fazal to talk about his journey of planting a diverse, multiethnic church in Charlotte, North Carolina. Naeem opens up about the personal challenges he faced along the way, the heart behind his book Tomorrow Needs You, and how God brings purpose through pain.This powerful conversation touches on identity, perseverance, and the hope that even in our lowest moments, we are seen and loved by God. If you've ever felt stuck, broken, or unsure about your future, this one’s for you.

For more information on our guest, please check out the link below:

www.naeemfazal.org

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In this inspiring episode of UpNext, Tommy Lee sits down with Meryl Herr to explore her journey from Birmingham to Athens, Georgia, and her experiences living and working across several cities. Meryl opens up about her career transitions, including her time at Fuller Seminary and the launch of her new consulting venture. They dive deep into the vital role mentoring plays in leadership development and share insights from research on flourishing leaders. Meryl also reveals the story behind her book, When Work Hurts, discussing how God’s presence sustains us through career setbacks, the healing power of sharing personal struggles, and how vulnerability builds stronger communities. Join us for a conversation about resilience, faith, and finding purpose amid challenges.

For more information on our guest this week, please check out the link below:

https://merylherr.com

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